Our products do not require any certification from the AGA, CSA or UL as it is considered a stand-alone product by these agencies. We are told that we would need a certification if sand and or lava rock would need certification. The agencies are franchise operations and they are privately owned and they are not a government agency. These agencies are hired for mass production testing. AGA, CSA and or UL do not certify custom one of a kind projects.
Custom burners need NO certification as this only applies to production equipment. Just so you can understand that a certification costs about $15,000.00 and certification was developed for production/ mass production to assure quality.
Any parts that would normally need AGA or UL do in fact have these approvals. Parts with function need and should have some sort of approval. The pan burners we sell that do have UL, CSA and or any other listings are produced by other companies. The custom pan burners that we produce are just that, custom.
Therefore do not require UL, CSA and or any other agency listings as these are custom. The parts that we use to build these pans are UL, CSA listed as they should be. We would never use any “Third World Country” or any unlisted, untested parts to build any products and or parts to endanger any product performance what so ever.
CLICK HERE" or on the pictures below to see what John Lehman did and how he built this table!
Our customer Gary Gibbs went to his local home store and bought an outdoor wood burning fire pit. This was placed within a custom marble and brick encasing.
We then helped him to successfully complete his convertion to propane. Gary wanted something more unique than your ordinary round burner ring so he got a stainless steel star burner instead.
The air mixer / valve on the left side had a custom aluminum face plate made to the same size of the exsiting brick - so to be as unubtrosive as possible once installed.
Add some fireglass and light to enjoy the beauty and superior warmth that you can only get with fireglass.
Notice the patio umbrella, which if placed at least 60" inches above the fire pit will further help keep the heat around the sitting area.
These outdoor propane fire table / fire pit pictures come to us from Doug Robertson. We helped Doug build his dream fire table all through Emails and phone conversations. So check out the progress from start to finish.
We sent him an Aluminum pan and an H-burner designed to work safely with propane, as well several pounds of 1/2" inch clear fireglass and Mini Mint Green Diamonds.
Here is what Doug had to say:
"Good Morning Ed,
Just wanted to drop you a note and thank you very much for all your e-mail
help with my Fire Coffee Table. We have used it every night since I got it
going and have received many-many compliments about it."
This portable propane fire table / fire pit below was built by Kris Day. We provided the burner system and of course the Azurlite base fireglass. This was a fairly simple project, well as long as your dealing with folks like us that know what they are doing ;)
A patio fire table like this can be fueled by either propane or natural gas burners.
Great Job Kris!
(See Our General Propane Sheet)
This wonderful outdoor propane fireplace was built by Mark Cotter, a contractor in Florida. He requested a custom Ribbon Burner and Electronic Ignition.
All burner parts were #316 marine grade stainless steel and the fireplace media was crushed lava.
This ornate outdoor fire pit went through a conversion process utilizing our FPPK propane kit burner ring. For remote projects please make sure to send pictures! Both installation and technical support must provide photos.
This fire pit below utilized one of our FPPK's kits. We didn't supply the star burner bur we did get it to burn correctly.
The Fire Pit Media Used was:
- Ford Blue base glass.
- Clear Diamonds
- and Blue Diamonds.
Below you can see the gas shut off on the left and our FPPK box on the lower right.
Below you now have fire! It was a bit windy but you get the idea.
This outdoor rectangular propane fire pit was actually nothing more than the top of a brick wall . WE explained to Kevin that he could utilize the cement base as a false bottom / pan for his propane burner system.
We provided stainless steel burner's and Copreci Valve calibrated to insure a clean burn. Below you see the stainless steel burn' on a bed of crushed pea gravel
Above you see the cinder block hollowed out. You don't need a pan, the block is the pan! Too many times we see this situation and the customer is told they need a pan, why? Ohhhh, because the dealer needs your money more than you do!
Below you can see the Copreci and air mixer mounted to a bracket on the end of the pit. Remember, the air mixer and Copreci have to be calibrated to the burner or it won't work! There is no magic bullet, it's pure and simple knowledge. Propane Burners have to be dealt with great care. The glass that was installed was Ford Blue base glass.
Done, simple and nice!
Beware of other companies who sell propane pans, burners, air mixers along with the glass that don't work properly leaving you holding the bag when you problems arise...
This next fire pit was built by Tim and Sarah, they simply built this with stacker stones and a bit of ingenuity. The used a crushed lava base with Black Base glass topped with Black Reflective base glass. Then they used a Light Amber Topping to create the Fleur De Lis.
This was again propane burner system that we supplied. They used a wood burning fire bowl for the pit. The tank was accessible from the back of the fire pit.
Add the base crushed lava. Note we do not use the 3/4" size? Way to large for the glass as it will fall through. You can use the larger lava and then over it with the crushed lava to save some cash!
Below if you notice the Pilot Light and Thermocouple just inside of the ring? This is a must if using propane, for safety.
Steve Hinojos (S.B. County Sheriff) built two fire pits using propane. One of which was a Wine Barrel Fire Pit and the other a traditional (oopsies on this one!). We will explain as we move on. We supplied the know how and all of the parts to make his Wine Barrel Fire Pit a success!
Steve also wanted a propane fire pit. So we provided all the parts to make it work properly. But wehn we got his pictures we noticed the ROCKS!
You can't burn ROCKS, they EXPLODE!This you can see in the Famous "How Not To Do It" page.
So sure enough he was back for some safe & sound fireglass!
The next propane fire table was built by Rick Kasner in Arizona. We inspired and supported Rick through out the project on "How To Do It Yourself". The frame is steel and fueled by propane
Back side of valving and air mixer. Durock is now applied.
Durock is finished
Table top is installed with propane pan burner. The fireglass color used:
- 1/2" Frosted base glass
- 3/8" Gray base glass
- Gray Topper
- Iridizing Amber Brown Topper
Crack open a beer and enjoy!
The next fire pit was constructed by Rose Harms in Wyoming. This was originally going to be propane but we would like to say that if you have a way to utilize Natural Gas, we always recommend doing so. It will cost less in the long run.
Mind that the customers stacked their own bricks!
The glass that was used:
Below on the 2nd pic you can see the black hose which is the quick disconnect hose that runs to their natural gas connection from afar.
Here is what Rose had to say:
"Hi Ed and Claudia,
Wanted to be sure I got the photos to you of our completed fire pit.
Here are the steps we went through:
Bought the brick/blocks (no lip on the stones) from Lowe's, put in circle, 3 rows high.
Bought the iron fire pit at Lowe's and placed on and inside fire pit. -note -it is iron, so I sprayed it with HIGH HEAT paint, in Copper. Wow!
got plumber to run natural gas from deck above (outlet for BBQ) and under the deck, ran down the deck post and he put in a Shut Off valve there.
It turns.
He ran a precise hole through the bottom off the fire pit to hold pipe for gas to the double ring burner (from Moderustic of course) and it is stainless
steel (no rust). At the bottom of the deck post is a flexible hose which goes over to the fire pit. It CAN be disconnected or even roll up and
shove inside fire pit (after it is cooled).
Note: you do need to chop off a piece of the block, or else just pull one out when you are using the
fire pit. (Kind of like Jenga -just pull out the stone, the others support the fire pit) Unless you can successfully saw off a piece of the stone.
Lit the burner to be sure it works well. It did.
We put in the 1" lava rock in the bottom of copper fire pit and then filled in the spaces with 1/4" lava rock. Should have used More! When we went to
cover the burner we were short on the fireglass. So we ordered more. Still looks beautiful.
Got rest of glass and made circles with the glass and it is beautiful. There are photos of it burning last night!! Lots of warmth on a typical
cool Wyoming evening.
Brick: $200, Fire Pit $79 on sale, double ring SS burner $126, glass -about $250, gas line -don't know yet but guessing $200. Maybe $750-800 total.
And -the way it is made, we could actually dismantle and move it. No mortar in stones. We are very happy with our fire pit and thanks to Ed and the gals
at Moderustic, we were able to make the right choice for glass and burner. Thanks Ed, Rebecca and Claudia. Very knowledgeable and helpful. Could not have managed
this without your guidance. We love being DYI-ers but directions are needed!! We appreciate all your help.
Rose and Doug Harms, Cheyenne Wyoming
The fire pit below was built by Charlie Helms in North Carolina using our FPPK burner. This is a propane fire pit with a
lava filler.
However Charlie quickly got bored of his lava rock and eventually ordered some of our famous fireglass. Great job Charlie!
The fire pit below was build by Mike Phillips ( a customer). First he ran a propane line to the fire pit area and then blocked his fire pit into shape. We use a
FPPK (
See Our General Propane Sheet) in an aluminum pan 24" x 24" with a double 18" double stainless steel ring.The glass that was used was a
Gray base and
Gray Reflective on top to add sparkle. Below you can see the placement of the thermocouple & safety pilot light used for propane. Below on the right side the controls were installed in the bricks.
The fire pit below belongs to Mike DeVito in Northern California. When I saw his idea I was excited to help him create something new and wonderful. He took a very old mining cart in his front yard and we helped him convert it to a propane burning fire pit! Turned out pretty cool! Next he is getting a fire pit cover made to cover it from debris and who else knows what.
The glass that was use is:
I think this is one really nice idea! It is all supplied by this 20 lb propane tank. Here is the mining cart with the base plate installed with the burners
Here you see the controls, air mixer, thermocouple and pilot light lines under the base plate. You can use a larger (3/4", 1" lava) as a base under our 1/4" crushed lava as this will save you a few dollars.
Now we pour on the crushed lava to keep the glass from sinking into the larger lava.
Add some Starfire
Splash a few colors.
Great Idea! Mike, you did a great job!
The fire pit below was built by Scott Spector in Florida. He started with an FPPK 30 which includes a 30" base plate and a double 24" stainless steel ring. Here we go from the beginning: (See Our General Propane Sheet)
The propane line was run/ installed under the pavers.
The colors that were used are
- 1/2" Clear base
- Black Magic in the center
- Clear Diamonds
- Cobalt Blue Topper
- Clear Topper
Cobalt Blue Light Topper and our FPPK 30". That is our 30" propane burner. You can see the actual burner above burning before shipment and installation. (See Our General Propane Sheet)
Thanks for the pictures Scott.
The fire table below was built by Christina "Stina" in the San Francisco area. With a little ambition, imagination and our help, she now has one very nice fire table. Here is where it started. She made a template of the pan and where the mounting tabs would be located. Then we built the aluminum pan and propane burner for Stina to install.
Below the pan was installed with Galaxy Green base fireglass.
Below you can see the top installed and what a difference. Below is her wonderfully finished project, Great job Stina!
This was an upgrade conversion from an existing propane system to a clean burning propane system for Richard King of South Carolina.
By the way Richard, You did a beautiful job on your gazebo!
The problem was that a regular propane system expels soot & black smoke. Which was a very unpleasant experience in the Gazebo. Not allowing Richard to ever be able to turn up the heat / flame.
So we set out to improve his fire dilemma with our FPPK (fire pit propane kit). Which consist of a stainless steel burner ring, calibrated air mixer, pilot light and thermocouple. Which as you will see below allowed for a big clean flame!
Richard utilized a very long flex line to reach his propane tank underneath the deck.
The controls were adapted to his old controls. The burner ring, thermocouple & safety pilot kit are finally installed.
Richard sure does have one very cool Super Bowl party room!
The wine barrel table below was build by Matt in Texas. There was a steel bowl installed using our propane system to burn our glass. They used Bronze base glass in the fire pit.
The next few pictures are from New York by Jai Crandall for Tom Morgan. We can hep transform an eye soar to a place of enjoyment.
Here is what was fabricated to replace those old ugly grills.
Jai came up with the Stainless Steel hollow base design and we went to work. Our propane burners were set to 100,000 btu's each for maximum heat. The glass that we used was Bronze Rust Copper.
This is a happy ending! Just read what Jai had to say.
November 10, 2009
Hello Ed, my name is Jai Crandall and I live in central NY. I have a good friend (Tom Morgan) that has a patio that he generally uses wood to throw some heat for his quests when he entertains. Unfortunately, as I'm sure you know, the smoke can really get to you after a while. This is a very high end home and he entertains for some very important people. He would like to eliminate the wood a replace them with some propane inserts. It doesn't have to look like a fireplace, but most importantly, it needs to throw some intense heat.
Pictures 1,2 and 3 are the front views of the fire pits and as you will notice they are not square ( each picture is labeled with the dimensions), they don't need to stay like they are, so if you want to make them square you can. Just go by the front measurement. Hopefully you can design something that will fit there needs.
I am sure that they are going to want electric ignition, and you can try to place the control valves in the front. Also, with the good New York weather, you want want to have covers for each unit.
Thank You so much for your time and I look forward to working with you to complete this project.
Jai Crandall
July 3, 2010
Now here are the finished pictures on the property. Very nice!
Hey Ed, Here are some pictures of the burners that I installed. They look great and they are very happy with their performance. Also, I believe that I may have a few more people interested in something similar to what I did for Tom Morgan. Have a great forth weekend and I will talk to you soon.
These custom made air-mixers act like carburetors to air / fuel mixtures. The air mixers have to be calibrated not only to the valving but the burner as well.
But don't try to just stick one of these on your burner. If not configured correctly it can create back pressure and you will have a fire or an explosion in your hands.
We are not trying to frighten you but just make you aware. We believe in safety first and we don't build systems without thermo couples and or pilot light systems, ever! As you may have of seen on our "How Not To Do It Page" they still screw up no matter how hard they try.
We have been building propane burners for several years now and we know that if you do you will give us a call soon enough.
(
See Our General Propane Sheet)
If you are building a fire pit or fire table and did not plan for and where your controls will be located, we have a solution! We can build a Flip Top Box to conceal your controls for propane or natural gas. Here are 8 pictures for your possible project. We can modify these is dozens of ways to fit your fire pit project. This is just the Copreci Valve and Air Mixer installed in the box. We can build a box to hold the FPPK with auto start as well.
Propane Burner Issues
I have seen this scenario all too often. The supplier that you have purchased from only cared about making the sale of the glass. They did not ask what you were doing. How you were doing it. What you were working on, etc. etc. etc. They did not ask if you had propane or natural gas or if you had natural gas close by to use opposed to propane. You are now finding out that there is no customer support after the sale. We are the only manufacturer building one propane burner at a time to suit your needs. We care from beginning to end and more importantly after the fact! We offer customer support FOREVER!
Let me tell you how we feel about these other companies selling products they know nothing about:
You purchased a Ford and now you are going to the Cadillac dealer for advice and parts on how to fix the problems. That is not how it works. We need you to put pressure on the company that sold you the product that does not perform as you thought it should. We will and or can resolve your issues, but you need to make sure these companies stop selling products they know nothing about.
Have you contacted the company that you purchased from?
Have you received any advice from this company on how to resolve the issue?
Are they even concerned about your problems?
Did you disclose to this company what you were working on?
Did this company ask for details about your project?
Have you asked if you can return all of the parts and products because of product failure?
Does this company even have any information online about their success on propane burners?
Did you receive any customer support?
Does the company you purchased from even have a physical address where you can visit?
We do genuinely feel bad for the customer being taken advantage of by companies such as these, selling parts and supplies, which they know nothing about.
Please keep us posted on your developments so we may continue to remedy your situation. We are proud of our creations, inventions, customer support, product lines as we do all of this for you, the customer!
This would be step one. Then we would step in and fix your issues.
Ed Jaunzemis President, Moderustic Inc
Find out more see Our General Propane Sheet
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